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            Electric Eel > Uncle Wizards Sleeve indigenous elder He/Him June 2, 2020 at 8:10pm

            HOE, why is your post not open for reply.  Perhaps, it might just be as simple that African American Criminals and Hispanic Criminals are 4 times more likely to produce a firearm, other weapon or life endangering violence when engagde by Police becasue of their up bringing or circumnstances?  
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              Hell On Eels > Electric Eel June 2, 2020 at 8:22pm

              

              Electric Eel, Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't conclude that white criminals produce firearms less (though they may feel safer).

              How many US mass shooters and serial killers are black compared to whites? 

              However, the trend is certainly worsening for non-whites. It does suggest worsening bias.
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                Electric Eel > Hell On Eels June 2, 2020 at 9:32pm

                

                This is not about serial  or mass killers and yes I take your point in that regard. This is about every day crime.  Big difference. Again, a hell of a lot of this comes back to Americas bulshit gun laws.

                 
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            Bourbon Man > Uncle Wizards Sleeve indigenous elder He/Him June 3, 2020 at 11:21am

            FYI
            
            https://youtu.be/jBPJNohU7xE
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            SuperEel 22 > Uncle Wizards Sleeve indigenous elder He/Him June 3, 2020 at 2:52pm

            They were peacefully protesting. They weren't advancing on the police at all. They were standing there. The cops then fired tear gas and rubber bullets before charging at protesters, the media included. It was all so Trump could get his photo op outside a church that did not give their permission for him to be there. The police also tear gassed the clergy from that church. The First Amendment in the US Constitution permits freedom of the press and freedom of speech. For police to then start beating camera men and reporters is a violation of the law.

            By the way, those aren't really rubber bullets. They're steel slugs wrapped in plastic. They aren't non-lethal, they're less lethal. They're supposed to be fired at the ground to bounce into the legs of protesters, instead police are firing them at head height, putting people in hospital and making others go blind. 
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  Hell On Eels June 2, 2020 at 7:41pm

  

   

  Wiz, I had a look at stats you shared on US crime figures, by race. I think they actually suggest the bias is increasing against coloured people in the US, if you look more closely.

  If you look at it in terms of population numbers, African Americans are more than four times more likely than a white coloured person to being shot and killed by the police, and it's been getting been consistently and progressively getting worse since 2017. Same for Hispanics. But, it's improving for the majority population (whites). 

  Bear in mind, the autopsy on the Floyd case has also been ruled a homocide by asphyxiation.

  So that suggests there could very well be bias, as many African Americans will tell you, based on their personal experiences, even well educated ones and ones in respectable professions.

  Including, Burbon's wife, who can account for many cases of being prejudiced by police.

  The other thing is, humans are biased! Whether it's ideological, racial, value systems, or other tribal differences such as say views on footy teams. It's natural. It takes a lot to transcend bias, in reality.

  Houston, we have a problem. And it seems to be getting worse.

  

   Getting shot to death by police.

   

  As an aside:

  The above calculations were based on figures from  https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by... and then extrapolated to reflect it in terms of population numbers. Say for example, African Americans were almost six times (5.6) less the population. So their figures were multiplied by 5.6.

   

  

  People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista

  Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 228 civilians having been shot, 31 of whom…
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  Electric Eel June 2, 2020 at 9:03pm

  

  Great to hear thia from an African American. The truth and a responsible and balanced position!

   

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl7XQ-kAGdk
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    Michael Ericson > Electric Eel June 3, 2020 at 6:57am

    

    It isn't as simple as this either unfortunately. It's not a circular argument or however he phrases it to suggest that white people are responsible for the socio economic position of blacks in America its historic fact which we all know well. It doesn't make it directly the fault of most whites in America today but that doesn't change the fact of it. 
    
    

    If you have any degree of financial security in life human nature is to protect that. If you don't then you have nothing to lose and human nature is to rebel. All there riots emphasise is the amount of insecure Americans today of all colours. The death of George Floyd is the catalyst for these riots but it's far from the reason for them. 
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      Bourbon Man > Michael Ericson June 3, 2020 at 11:21am

      

      Very well said ME! Totally agree!
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  Frank The Tank June 3, 2020 at 11:12pm

  All this is, is the left trying to avoid defeat once again in November.

  They haven't accepted Trumps victory since he won in 2016, and they have continually tried to undermine his government since.

  The constant harassment of Trump is something to behold and in some cases admire TDS is an official disease. It started with the Russiagate Hoax, then the Ukraine Impeachment, then the extended COVID 19 lockdowns by mostly democrats Govenors and now current riots conducted under the fake George Floyd narrative, are all designed by the left to try to oust Trump from the Whitehouse.

  It's obvious to most that the reason they are is because ultimately, if he wins another term, everything that they corrupt left have worked so hard for the last 20/30 years, will be destroyed taken apart legislation by legislation, Supreme Court justice by Supreme Court justice and they simply can't let that happen. Even if it means destroying the country in the process.

  He's already taken the US out of the
  Climate Paris Accord, he's stopped funding WHO, he's renegotiated countless trade deals and he's questioning a plethora of other leftist bodies.

  IMO he's the most controversial president that's ever lived and simply the best IMO..