Pretty interesting comments, he starts talking around 49 minutes in
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Defence being gassed makes it easier for the big boys to find a 1 on 1.
Those backs you mentioned are taking advantage of the platform laid by the, let's call them power forwards as opposed to big forwards, the power forwards (strong, good leg speed ) are getting over the advantage line often with only one or two defenders on them as there isn't enough time to get 3 or 4 into the tackle to slow the ruck down without conceding a set restart. Quite often you do conceding multiple set restarts which has a snow ball effect.
If you know anything about how high end touch football is played it utilises a similar concept where ball playing is pretty much eliminated, it is more advantages to have one pass off the ruck with the ball carrier running at a defender and reaching out to contact the defender so they can play the ball quicker which in turn has the defence back pedalling constantly.
Another example was when Brian Smith coached the eels ha had the ball carrier dive at the feet of the defender so he could quickly rise and play the ball which then had the defence back pedalling. This was so effective the NRL introduced the dominant tackle rule to eliminate the ploy.
So basically, power + speed - ball movement- errors = dominance.
Yes, JC, it makes more sense to refer to power forwards than try to make a small-mobile vs big-boy forward distinction. The height and weight of many second rowers leave them at least and often bigger than some props! Locks have also become low to the ground nuggets of rock too
Maybe one of the important features is leg speed? The ability to keep making ground in a tackle seems so important now, to generating faster and faster play the balls, which seem to lead to either a team conceding a six again or maybe they try to avoid doing so but end up presenting a broken line
JC, Thanks for that explanation you make a lot of sense with what you say and the "touch" analogy is interesting as realalistically I have no real idea of how that game has evolved to the state you imply, I assume similar principles must exist in 7's Rugby and league.
You could possibly put a blog together based on your equations re big/medium/power and speed, both small and large player. General athletism is something that doesn't seem to be emerging through our juniors and people like me try to see football skills, and combinations of both.....the ideal presumably but we don't seem to have power and speed enough in combination. Dyllan Brown as a case in point is a combination and not a big man. Riley Smith brings down big forwards, skilful with the ball but lacking in running power! You could wrote up our whole team with respect to analysis.
I also question whether our players maybe/should be doing more touch football training in the pure sense of what you explain.
I think you could wind Hoey's dead zone philosophies into that as well and it would be very enlightening to IEE readers and anyone else that is smart enough to understand.
I love getting a good "No Touch!".
Rudolph, you have upset the cart again.....
How do Ryles and Arthur coach the same style of play? In what way?
If we play for 80 keep the coach
Gee that's nice rhetoric FB but really changing the coach would be akin to rearranging the deckchairs. The coach is good enough, the players are not.....changing the equation via the players is a long and winding road.....pity we can't wait long enough.
All JR is doing is simplifying the game per what he has to use that's all it is.
But fans were down right filthy on the last coach for having a team play this way but yet it was a winning style.The bottom line here in the nrl well in any contact sport really for the most part these games are won in the middle of the park.
My comments are based around this and fans understanding of how you win these games.Throwing the ball round and making it look attractive or smash and bash your way with high completions simplifying your game sweating a teams mistakes and then strike when your in position.
Anyone can see the last month of football that's exactly what we are doing and we'll continue to do that with the ball.
The defense on the other hand we are giving up 35 or something silly a game.I don't know what the fix is there or if there is one because from what I've seen teams are coming after us in the middle of the park and are having a lot of success doing so.
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